Hu Yong: Kevin Kelly said that being ‘out of control’ needs to be top down. We can use an analogy here: for modern companies on the unstable seas of today, if the captain doesn’t have enough control, the boat faces the risk of capsizing. I would like to know what you think about the relationships between the non-controlled and more decentralized organizations and the senior leaders in a modern enterprise.

Zhang Ruimin: Haier has now become a number of boats. I think having one ship is very dangerous.

I don’t think I am the helmsman or captain . . .